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Thoughts on punditry during Facebook’s October 2021 outage
God. I hated and enjoyed the stories and wrong opinions which came out on October 4th, 2021, as Facebook and all of its associated services effectively “disappeared” from the Internet for a half-day. Some of them were the type I wanted to believe, some of them were outlandish, and some of them came from folks who probably need to learn a bit about Hanlon’s razor.
This is probably my favourite tweet. It would have been pretty funny to have had the new Matrix movie release on the same day as this incident.
A good primer on what actually happened can be read from CloudFlare and Facebook for their part posted a fairly reasonable explanation as well. I won’t dive into these two any further, but I do want to talk about some of the silliness I saw on Twitter, the only working social media outlet that day.
Facebook could not get into their offices as a result of this
Turn-key LDAP systems such as Active Directory are so yesterday.
I want to believe this so bad because it would read as both funny and so many movie scenarios coming to life, but it isn’t true.
Runner up for my favourite tweet.
My last visit to Facebook’s Menlo Park campus (on “1 Hacker Way” no less) was a surreal experience because it was very much high-tech in terms of how you signed in, how you got around, and how people worked. Much has likely changed since my mid-2016 speaking engagement there, but advances in access control and so forth have not fundamentally changed.
The company is in fact married to their ID badges. Everything from ordering food, getting office and computer supplies, booking and using conference rooms, and just opening doors is tied to the ID badge. However, at no point did it ever appear that there were no workarounds.
Many came out to say that they had spoken with people who work at Facebook. It is likely that this messed with many of its internal systems, but the disruption was probably not as severe as many made it out to be.
It is possible this whole incident disrupted physical access, but I don’t think that it lasted anywhere as long as some may suggest. Internal tools were disrupted and it likely affected access control systems, but I imagine they still had physical keys somewhere.
I know that the Bay Area is rife for flaunting local municipal and state code, but nobody running physical security for a company as high-profile as Facebook is going to overlook the need to override the digital controls. It is likely that nobody could fix this remotely (as in working from home) as Facebook was “gone”, but it would be spectacularly unlikely to have completely locked everyone out.
Many large corporations use IoT devices to operate their conference rooms. They’re not new at all and often are synchronized with the internal lighting, telephony, video conferencing, and electronic displays.
The company also doesn’t have a data centre in its Menlo Park offices. In fact, the closest data centre to them is 800 KM north in Bend, Oregon. Additionally, they have multiple data centres, with at least a dozen in the United States, a few in Europe, and one in Asia — this is via unofficial sources I will add. If someone had to do this on site, it was likely at one of these locations.
Lots of data was stolen and a panic button was hit

A now deleted tweet from Twitter user, vx-underground: “At 19:07UTC a RaidForum account under the name ‘CBT’ released 600TB of Facebook data. They are claiming responsibility for the Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp outage.”
600 TB is a lot. How much is 600 TB?
From a practical standpoint, let’s look at a 4K movie on Blu-Ray. In this scenario, a movie could be anywhere between 50 and 100 GB in size. On my 940 Mbps Internet connection, it can transfer about 117 MB every second at its maximum capacity. Assuming the maximum size of 100 GB (or 102,400 MB) was being used for the movie, it would take me under 15 minutes to download it via the Internet.
The tweet about data being made available on a “popular hacking-related forum” made its rounds and spread like wildfire without taking into account the absurdity of the claim.
600 TB is 614,400 GB which is 629,145,600 MB. That’s 6,144 of those aforementioned Blu-Ray 4K movies. That means that it would take my connection approximately two months to transfer the data, assuming I could do it at peak and without disruption.
Physically, to store all of that 600 TB on Blu-Ray discs alone would result in the discs alone being just over 7 metres tall. For reference, I am about 1.7 metres in height and as a result those discs would dwarf me.
If we were to use hard drives, the largest capacity on the market today runs at 18 TB, meaning you’d just need 33 of them if redundancy is not important.
At a minimum, you’re looking at about $600 (Canadian dollars) for just one drive, so that comes to just under $11,000 before taxes and recycling fees — maybe you can get a bulk discount. You’d also need somewhere to put those hard drives too, so it will then cost you at least another $10,000 more since you cannot stuff that many into your computer.
And I guess physically speaking, the hard drives would be shorter than the Blu-Ray discs themselves as they’d just be a metre tall all combined.
Since I am not fond of mechanical hard drives, solid state drives run you $1,100 for 8 TB each. We’d need 75 of those (again without redundancy), running you $82,500. Height wise, it wouldn’t be much different than the previous storage medium, but it would be considerably less noisy. You’d still have to add the cost of housing that many drives.
Mirror it on the cloud then? Using Amazon Glacier, you can store data there at $0.004 (US dollars) per GB per month, or $2,460 for the whole 600 TB, assuming you have managed to get it into there. However, making use of the data would then cost you a lot more, as retrieval of the data will likely cost you $0.01 per GB. If you wanted to grab it all after storing it, it could set you back about $6,150, setting aside the costs of storing it locally to begin with.
So no. Someone doesn’t have 600 TB of data for sale — at least not in this situation. If anything, it’s likely that they could have been packaging scraped data and some data floating about that connects Facebook users to their telephone numbers, but even then it doesn’t get close to a single terabyte and I know this first-hand.
Why did I initially use Blu-Ray discs to demonstrate this then? Aside from their storage density, Facebook was reported to have used them to store data long-term as early as 2014. Whether or not it is still the case is uncertain.
To add to this: moving 600 TB out of Facebook’s data centre should hopefully not go without notice despite the amount of data they move typically.
There was a thought popped into my head where someone could walk out with a whole bunch of discs, but I don’t think that can and will happen as 10,000 discs would weigh about 160 KG and would be almost 12 metres if stacked high.
You may as well steal a storage array, which would be needed for all of those hard drives I mentioned.
It was all a “security reset”
I am obscuring this tweet because the person in question has faced enough harassment in their life, but nonetheless, their tweet was so incredibly misinformed that it irritated the hell out of me.

Quoting a tweet by Brian Krebs: “She downloaded tons of company data to use against the company. Any other employee can do the same. My guess is they took it all down to reset their security, cover their tracks and prevent people from whistleblowing.”
The day before, former Facebook Product Manager, Frances Haugen revealed allegations (of which I do believe) of the company amplifying content that would be considered hateful, likely fuelling the fascist fervour surrounding the 2020 American presidential election and the subsequent January 6th failed coup (and let’s not mince words here, it was an attempt) on the U.S. Capitol building.
This is of course incredibly damning for the company as they had continuously denied this in press releases and through its own founder and CEO, Mark Zuckerberg in front of congressional hearings.
Why this person’s tweet is so incorrect is quite simple: why would you go about “resetting security” the day after? Nuking any way for people to get to any of the company’s services does not ease “resetting” in whatever form this persons believes and is also incredibly expensive.
Facebook is a for-profit, service-oriented business and consequently downtime of any significance is going to cause them to incur financial penalties from their customers let alone their own revenue streams. Their business is in providing a functional service and data from its users. Being out of commission for a half-day means a loss of that data and in turn a loss in profit.
So what if Facebook actually did do this? Well, the legal hot water they may presently face over these believable allegations would become significantly worse if it came to light that this downtime was all a ruse to get their “ducks in order” in the event that they were requested to provide information to law enforcement. Digital forensics would be all over this because there would have to be communications between higher ups and everyone required to pull off a such a ridiculous stunt.
To add to this, it likely would result in another whistleblower situation. I would imagine that this would all bubble to the surface much faster than the time between Haugen’s departure from the company in May and her appearance on CBS’s 60 Minutes just this past Sunday. Someone in the chain who would have the ability to do all this would likely make noise.
Assuming it were somehow successful and were to come to light, it would likely be a bigger corporate story than the Enron scandal, which coincidentally occurred almost twenty years ago prior.
This would not be a financial crime of course (maybe a Sarbanes-Oxley violation due to a messing with controls perhaps — I am not a lawyer), but seeing that it would be an blatant attempt to erase evidence and there are already enough within Washington D.C. who have a bone to pick with the company, I don’t think they’d ride this one out with the same ease Microsoft did when they faced anti-trust suits the same year as Enron broke.

Now that we are at the end: it was aliens. That, or sun spots.
So no. I don’t see it at all possible as hitting a “reset switch” here as the ramifications would be enormous. In truth and all likelihood, someone coincidentally committed code that messed up production, which then cascaded to catastrophic collapse of vital systems. It fits in with Hanlon’s razor as mentioned at the start of this piece and there is just no evidence to suggest otherwise.
The one theory I did have is maybe a “white knight” situation, where someone opted to fall on their own sword for some misguided reason, but even then I don’t buy that possibility.
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Twitch has made a good step with preventing harassment but it has pitfalls — also what the hell is…
I have written extensively about the problems Twitch has with harassment via user interactions, so it should come as no surprise that I have been keeping myself informed of the the activities that eventually lead to A Day Off Twitch, where many streamers protested against the company’s milquetoast response to the problem by not streaming. While I have many opinions about how everything was co-opted and mutated from what the #TwitchDoBetter movement, I am of the opinion that the media attention it receive was likely beneficial.
Earlier this week, Twitch finally announced seemingly effective tools to contend with harassment. Streamers can now enforce a requirement for users to have either or both e-mail and phone-based verification (via SMS) before they are permitted to participate in chat. Being that many users legitimately may not have done either prior to this new feature, streamers can permit users who have accounts with a specific age to avoid either, they can elevate them to VIP or moderator status, or require them to subscribe (as in pay the streamer) to participate.

Moderation configuration settings from a Twitch dashboard. Options show e-mail verification and phone verification with settings for first time chatters, with additional features for chatters without verification being granted permission to participate with a minimum account age.
The one thing many streamers had called for that is not mentioned at all in the above screenshot is this one pertinent feature from the announcement:
We know there are many reasons someone may need to manage more than one account, so you can verify up to five accounts per phone number. That said, to help prevent ban evasion, if one phone-verified account is suspended site-wide, all accounts tied to that number will also be suspended site-wide. Users won’t be able to verify additional accounts using a phone number that is already tied to an actively suspended account.
At the channel-level, if one phone-verified or email-verified account is banned by a channel, all other accounts tied to that phone number or email will also be banned from chatting in that channel.
This is huge as for the longest time, a harassing user could just register multiple accounts to a single e-mail address without consequence. While it is easy to have multiple e-mail addresses, there is a much larger barrier to having multiple phone numbers capable of receiving SMS.

User account settings showing that a phone number and e-mail address are linked.
However, be that it may, it comes with many caveats and one in particular comes to mind: not everyone has access to mobile phone service, and this could lead to an inequity situation for some. Twitch themselves even point this out in the announcement.
If I don’t have a mobile phone, does this mean I can’t participate in chat anymore?
If your account is not phone-verified, this will not prevent you from watching and enjoying a stream — but it does mean there may be some channels you are unable to chat in if they have phone-verified chat enabled. Creators can also choose to make exceptions to phone-verified chat for accounts of a certain age or following time, as well as VIPs, moderators, and subscribers.
This comes down to the creator being benevolent or permissive with how individuals can participate and could just outright exclude anyone who is unable to verify via their mobile phone. The minimum age for a user to have a Twitch account is on paper thirteen years, and while many who are younger often have mobile phone service, there are many who do not. While I personally do not want anyone younger than 18-years old to participate in my stream, I do know that this is not desired by everyone.
The other problem is that this likely has some limitations. Twitch’s goal is to make harassment more expensive and is something I advocated when I wrote about this problem earlier this year, but based on how I am seeing it written about by the company, I do believe that there are workarounds.
My burning question for one workaround is this: how do the e-mail address-based ban evasion avoidance techniques take tags into account? Many e-mail services, including Google’s, support the appending a tag to an e-mail address wherein you append ‘+’ to the end of the first half of your address (also known as the “local part”) with a label following soon after.
Many do not and perhaps should not scan for this sort of thing as the rules for what can and should be in a local part are sort of defined, you cannot be assured that the use of a tag is implicit of anything as it is dependent on the e-mail service to start with. Does Twitch scan for this potential problem? I have my doubts and may consider testing this if someone else hasn’t already.
I also pointed out that there are throwaway e-mail services, and those can be used to verify an account. What is Twitch doing about that? There are lists that are freely available for them to use to detect the use of the, but are they doing this?

From page 35 of my March 2021 report on Twitch harassment. This shows a throwaway e-mail service granting me a verification code for my new account.
So then we’re led into this scenario: let’s verify by mobile phone? This seems to be straightforward as surely it is hard to evade that way?
It is a valid assumption as while I have had to buy disposable SIM cards for consulting engagements, not everyone is going to have more than one or two mobile phones. However, this assumption is still wrong as there are throwaway SMS services.

A service showing available mobile phone numbers for web-based reception of SMS messages.
Now, I will admit that these numbers provided by this and similar services are often exhausted extremely quickly. There is also the consideration that there is a finite quantity of available numbers on these services, but it is a matter to give thought to when relying on this scheme.
Overall, I am supportive of this new feature, but the equity issue and the potential evasion techniques remain.
So what about this lawsuit?
On September 10th, which was two and a half weeks before announcing these features, Twitch filed a civil suit in Northern California against two Europeans who are alleged to have created software to engage in harassment on the streaming service.
The timing has always baffled me because it would have made sense to drop this feature and this lawsuit on the same day. Many found that this was Twitch trying to look like they were doing something instead of anything concrete and this further alienated streamers from the company. In my case, I found the filing rather damning towards the company themselves, because they admitted a few things that I find rather embarassing.
However, despite Twitch’s best efforts, the hate raids continue. On information and belief, Defendants created software code to conduct hate raids via automated means. And they continue to develop their software code to avoid Twitch’s efforts at preventing Defendants’ bots from accessing the Twitch Services.
This paragraph (51) was rather interesting because I want to know more about “Twitch’s best efforts”, There have been rumours for many years that there remains a workaround that permits harassers to create en-masse accounts to engage in harassment without any response from the company. I cannot elaborate further on this problem, but honestly it isn’t here where I raise my eyebrow.
To further curb Defendants’ hate-raids, Twitch updated its software to employ additional measures that better detect malicious bot software in chat messages.
Twitch expended significant resources combatting Defendants’ attacks. Twitch spent time and money investigating Defendants, including through use of its fraud detection team. Twitch also engineered technological and other fixes in an attempt to stop Defendants’ harassing and hateful conduct. These updates include but are not limited to implementing stricter identity controls with accounts, machine learning algorithms to detect bot accounts that are used to engage in harmful chat and augmenting the banned word list. Twitch mobilized its communications staff to address the community harm flowing from the hate raids and assured its community that it was taking proactive measures to stop them. Twitch also worked with impacted streamers to educate them on moderation toolkits for their chats and solicited and responded to streamers’ and users’ comments and concerns.
These “stricter identity controls” stand out as we did not see tools for streamers being made available to leverage this until recently, but what really raises my ire is them stating they’re using “machine learning algorithms to detect bot accounts”.
What the hell sort of “machine learning” have they deployed? I even criticised this on Twitter.
Of the 174 “hoss” follow bots that have been known to exist at the time of this writing, with the majority appearing since mid-August, they all share a common pattern which can be easily snuffed out with just two very basic regular expressions:
^hoss0{0,2}312_{0,1}.*
^.*_{0,1}hoss0{0,2}312$Just what the fuck? How is this so complicated? You can do this with just one regular expression, but it isn’t that much more costly to do it with two and it is much easier to maintain.
My only theory about this “machine learning” nonsense can be summed up in this Discord conversation I had on the day I read the filing:

My parodic interpretation of a meeting at Twitch HQ about the chat moderation problem: “this is my theory about a meeting [on] moderation […] recently: a: “okay. so these fucks are asking us to make moderation better. what do we do?” b: “well, i have been doing machine learning for funsies on udemy and i think it would work well?” a: “that is hot shit. we can’t do this with blockchain?” b: “working on that later. nft stuff first ya know” c: “hey. why don’t we revisit my idea of just allowing bans based on how they work on irc?” a & b: “no. fuck you” a: “besides, we don’t get to do machine learning for anything beyond marketing””
I have rather poor opinions about Twitch’s approach as evident above.
The solution of using machine learning at least to me appears to be something “hot and sexy” when in reality we need something conventional. I have done a lot of work around using entropy to detect malicious activity in my line of work, but it was only done after making other attack methods more expensive, which should be done first as it is often easier to do.
At least we finally got these new verification tools, but honestly, Twitch has a lot remaining to do and I am not holding my breath.
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What is in your BC Vaccine Passport?
As you may be aware, those in British Columbia are joining other jurisdictions in issuing “vaccine passports”, which is basically a verification system to show your vaccination status. This is to combat the spread of COVID-19, and is intended to ensure that those who are unvaccinated do not pose a threat to those who are.

BC Government Health Gateway showing my “BC Vaccine Card”
If you’re reading this and are about to go tweet at me or write some diatribe to my e-mail address about vaccines being tyranny, I have a simple response: fuck off.
I have professional concerns about the passport myself, but they’re based on equity for those who are unable procure a personal health card for whatever reason. If your concerns align with the thousands who opted to hinder access to local hospitals, you’re a fucking dickhead and I do not care about your baseless and factless opinions.
Anyway, historically, these are not new at all as during my own parents’ lifetimes before my being born, they existed for Canadians who needed to travel abroad. However, we’re now in the age where our mobile phones are capable of providing an aspect of verification of vaccination status.

Website for SMART Health Cards
It was feared initially that every jurisdiction would adopt a system of their own to work with the data, but fortunately it seems that British Columbia has adopted the same system as Québec, which is to use the SMART Health Card system, a standard developed by the W3C Consortium, who are behind the standards for the world wide web.
Much like how the world wide web work with establishing encrypted connections for online banking, the SMART Health Card (“SHC”) uses the same methodology to verify the contents of the presented QR code. The QR code can be shown to anyone with an mobile phone running an application capable of reading it, and then the details on the application can be compared with some photo identification to confirm that the QR code belongs to the person they’re interacting with.
The QR code can be on your phone, a piece of paper, or in one case with someone in Québec, printed on a t-shirt so it could be read metres away.
Anyone can read this QR code and with that it may raise some eyebrows.
So now you’re wondering: what makes it safe? How does someone not get my personal details? These are legitimate and important questions and it can be answered quite easily: the issuing health authority is only supposed to put as much information as needed on the card.

The SMART Health System is clear about what can be on a person’s card.
As it stands, the standard should contain your legal name, date of birth, tests if relevant, vaccinations, and contraindications should you have any. It is spelt out as per the image about that it should not contain your phone number, your address, an identifier such as a personal health or drivers licence number, and other health information. The SHC standard straight up outlines keeping data at a minimum and has a whole section on privacy.

Output from a SHC QR code reader. The “issuer not recognized” remark at the bottom should be of no concern until the programme goes live in a week. I would expect that to go away by then.
So does British Columbia adhere to the recommendations?
I have gone ahead and decoded my passport (using this methodology as a guide) and was able to glean from the data that it has the following:
- The issuer (ISS), which is remarked as the Provincial Health Services Authority (PHSA)
- The creation date (NBF), which is an epoch time stamp of seconds since January 1, 1970 00:00:00 UTC (standard for most computer data)
- The type of card it is, with the data outlining it is for COVID-19, immunization, and is a health card
- The family name of the passport holder
- The first or given name of the passport holder
- Their birth date
- Their immunization records and date of occurrence for each plus the vaccine type, lot number (which box or order the vaccine came in), and where it was given
That is it. There are no health numbers, no address, and surprisingly, no mention of the person’s gender. I have concerns about the name aspect for those who are transgender as it could out them, but that is it.
You can safely show this QR code to someone else if someone requests you of that information. If you’re running a wedding, you can have your guests confirmed that they have been vaccinated. All you need is to have photo identification to verify the contents of the QR code and through the power of mathematics, it is incredibly difficult and likely impossible to forge a QR code that can thwart this system.
Go ahead and print this out, make an iOS shortcut that is super useful, or put it on a t-shirt. It’ll be a piece of identification until we get through this mess we’re still in.
All we are waiting on is for the PHSA to become an recognized issuer and anyone can trust this vaccine passport. A vaccine passport issued in British Columbia will also work in Québec and vice-versa and while it may have issues internationally as I am certain that someone in Florida or Belgium may not know what the PHSA is, they’d still be able to read the data anyway.
Go get your passport if you have gotten your vaccine and if you haven’t gotten your vaccine yet, go get it. If you don’t want to get your vaccine, leave everyone alone and wait out the pandemic so you don’t spread it or worse get sick.
My remaining concern right now is: what do we do about those who cannot get access to the website? Equity is still my problem with all of this, and my concern lies with those who are undocumented or are of no fixed address, just to name a few.
Update: it seems that you can just call in to get a non-digital copy of the passport should you run into some issues related to equity.
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Scott Road is the worst, but what else is to be said about the SkyTrain and West Coast Express…
If you have not read my previous piece on Scott Road being the worst SkyTrain station, I suggest giving it a read first as it will help give better context to this article as well! If you want to take a look at the raw data, you can read this too.

All will tremble as they approach this sign.
After poll after poll, we have finally determined that the worst station operated by TransLink is Scott Road. However, Scott Road was not the only station given negative attention.
None of this should be taken as anything more than my uneducated observations as I don’t really think it’s that important overall. We all know Scott Road sucks!
Engagement and results
As mentioned in the original piece, this was a super-scientific Internet poll where there was absolutely no bias and everyone knows what they are doing.
One big thing: no station tied. I did vote in every poll and would have removed myself or gotten someone to break it had it occurred.
There were 5,455 total votes counted across six rounds. As the polls went on, the engagement did drop, which does make sense considering the number of match ups reducing with each step. Each match up on average had 104 votes, with the opening round having the most at 127 and the third having the least with 59. The final match stood alone of course at 222 total votes.
Losers in each match up (which are really “winners”) tended to get a score of just about 25 points. With exception to the first round which saw an average of about 29 votes, all losers received an average of either 15 or 16. The final loser saw a loss of 56.
Winners (or “losers”) saw stability in the same rounds with the second to the fifth seeing 47, 44, 53, and 66 respectively, but the first saw 98 votes. The winner received 166.
Some close matchups were to be had as well. When Gilmore faced Port Haney in the second round, the resulting score was 27 to 23, pushing Gilmore into the third round.
Then there were some matchups where the outcome was so obvious that it was tempting to break the rules. A good example was where in the first round, Joyce-Collingwood received a meagre 14 votes to Lansdowne’s 115.
The winner of the tournament, Scott Road, averaged 75% of the vote share in each poll, with the worst at 65.7% and the best with 85.7%.
Ranking the worst by round weight
The way data was presented by Challonge made some stations who lost in other rounds as being tied with others. This makes ranks rather awkward as we end up with four stations tied for fifth and eight for ninth with no indication of what sits inbetween.
To combat this, I came up with this idea: we have six rounds, so the first round would give a score a weight of 1/6th, second would be 1/3rd, and so forth until the sixth and final round just being a weight of 1. What we can do with this is then apply this to the scores awarded in each round.
An example would be where Royal Oak had a score of 16 to Gateway’s 29, meaning that it was actually a score of 5.3 to 9.6 due to the match being in the second round. Another would be the first round’s Metrotown’s 52 to Production Way-University’s 189 becoming 8.6 to 31.5.
With this information, let’s rank the top ten worst stations overall using their combined weighted votes.
- Scott Road (319.16)
- Lake City Way (214.16)
- Gateway (103.5)
- Holdom (103.17)
- King George (72.17)
- Port Coquitlam (64)
- Edmonds (48.67)
- Sapperton (47)
- Maple Meadows (43.17)
- Nanaimo (38.84)
Of note for municipalities, we have three stations in Surrey, three stations in Burnaby, one both in New Westminster and Vancouver, and then Port Coquitlam and Maple Ridge each getting in as well. All stations mentioned are on the Expo Line except for Maple Meadows and Port Coquitlam being West Coast Express; and Lake City Way and Holdom being Millennium Line.
If you hate this idea, let it be known that I am not a statistician. The idea I have here is to look at the popular vote and which polls received the most engagement. If you wish to play with the data differently, please do check out the link at the start of the article!
Using the weighted scores on service and line
While the West Coast Express operates on regular locomotives, sharing tracks with freight rail services, the SkyTrain system is completely separate. There are however three stations where both systems do meet as transfer points, with all three SkyTrain lines having connections.
SkyTrain
This system was first introduced in 1985 and has expanded since to provide via three lines.

Most of the stations in the tournament are shown here. (Source)
The Expo Line and Millennium Line both use the same technologies and service Vancouver, Burnaby, Coquitlam, Port Moody, New Westminster, and Surrey. The extension of the Millennium Line is the most recent addition, providing service as far east as Coquitlam. Presently, both lines are being extended with the Millennium going further west into Vancouver towards Arbutus Street and the Expo Line terminating to the southeast in Langley.
The Canada Line serves just Richmond and Vancouver and notably provides service to the airport. Unlike the other two lines, it only provides two car trains and has much shorter platforms and is incompatible physically and technologically.

The Expo Line is home to Commercial-Broadway, a station which lets you enter or exit a train on either side.
The Expo Line is home to the winner, Scott Road and also received a score of 32.05. It also received the lowest score for a single station, which will be discussed later.
It ranked as follows:
- Scott Road (319.17)
- Gateway (103.5)
- King George (72.17)
- Edmonds (48.67)
- Sapperton (47)

Somehow I only have one photo of a Millennium Line station.
With the Millennium Line, it had the runner up, Lake City Way, and received an average of 35.26. It is home to the youngest of all SkyTrain stations, with the extension to Coquitlam opening in 2016 alongside an upgrade of Lougheed Town Centre as well — all of those new stations plus Lougheed scored 14.67.
- Lake City Way (214.17)
- Holdom (103.17)
- Production Way-University (38.17)
- Renfrew (28.67)
- Gilmore (26.67)

Canada Line trains are wider than their Expo and Millennium Line siblings.
And lastly, the Canada Line, which has its trains physically separate from the other two lines scored 13.04, making it the least disliked of the three lines.
- Richmond-Brighouse (34.17)
- Yaletown-Roundhouse (32.67)
- Templeton (29.17)
- Lansdowne (22.5)
- Aberdeen (19.5)
Overall, SkyTrain received a score of 26.78.
West Coast Express
The service provided by the West Coast Express (WCE) is different from SkyTrain in that it doesn’t provide service throughout the majority of the day and it also is unusual in that it extends outside of TransLink’s jurisdictions with its one station in Mission.

One cool trick about the West Coast Express now is that you may have the option to use it if SkyTrain has problems but isn’t completely down.
Because of it being a commuter rail service with single-direction service in the mornings into Waterfront and in the evenings towards Mission City, its stations reflect that nature by being quite spartan.
It was anticipated that at least one of them would place top-five when I started the polls, but it fell short by only placing sixth after adjusting for weight. Challonge tied two stations for fifth — Maple Meadows and Port Coquitlam — but I am more interested in the weighted score.
Of the eight stations served, three tie in with SkyTrain, which I do believe alters the score quite a bit as there is a larger pool of non-WCE users available to alter the outcome.
With the SkyTrain stations included, we get the following result:
- Port Coquitlam (64)
- Maple Meadows (43.17)
- Pitt Meadows (34.33)
- Coquitlam Central (22.17)
- Mission City (17.67)
Of those above five, only one ties in with SkyTrain, which is Coquitlam Central. Stations without that connection produced a score of 34.8, which makes it score worse than SkyTrain. However, if we add the removed stations back in, the score becomes 25.
Transfer stations
As mentioned with the West Coast Express, many of the stations act as transfer points and the same is true with SkyTrain. With some stations, the service is interlined — such as Production Way-University having a single platform for Expo and Millennium Line trains — and in others, everything is separate — see Waterfront with its Expo and Canada Line platforms and also West Coast Express.

The platform just above where the SkyTrain vehicle is located is about as close as it gets for where the West Coast Express and Expo Line will meet.
I’ve opted to define the transfer points as any station where you must leave the train to go elsewhere without necessarily leaving the station. This would include connections to other lines or the WCE, but it also includes where the line would split into a spur such as what occurs on the Expo Line and Canada Line.
This gives us eight stations to work with, with two shared between the Expo Line and Millennium Line (Production Way-University and Lougheed Town Centre), one shared between the Canada Line, Expo Line, and WCE (Waterfront); two shared with the Millennium Line and WCE (Moody Centre and Coquitlam Central), one each on the Expo Line and Canada Line (Columbia and Bridgeport).
It ends up looking like this:
- Production Way-University (38.17)
- Columbia (35.17)
- Coquitlam Central (22.17)
- Bridgeport (15.5)
- Commercial-Broadway (5.5)
In reviewing Production Way-University, which is shared as a terminus station for the Expo Line and a regular station on the Millennium, it was interesting how it scored so poorly considering it didn’t make it past the second round and had only one comment about its lack of available escalators.
Columbia did make it into the third round and ultimately lost to Scott Road, but had received less votes. The complaints were all focused on it being a terrible transfer point as the stations two separate platforms means it is very difficult to make a quick transfer.
Overall, transfer stations received a score of 15.6.
Ranking by municipality
Using the weighted votes we determined earlier, we can determine how individual municipalities fared.
Vancouver
Stations within the city limits received an overall score of 10.87. It is the only municipality with all three SkyTrain lines and West Coast Express service.

One day I will write about my love affair with Waterfront.
Notably, the original SkyTrain station, Main Street-Science World received the lowest score of 0.83, making it the last-disliked station in the tournament.
- Nanaimo (38.83)
- Yaletown-Roundhouse (32.67)
- Renfrew (28.67)
- Rupert (23.17)
- Broadway-City Hall (12.33)
With the upcoming interchange at Broadway-City Hall, this score could change should this tournament run again.
Burnaby
This city was host to the runner up, so it is easy to determine which would place first. The scoring average here was 47.85.
- Lake City Way (214.17)
- Holdom (103.17)
- Edmonds (48.67)
- Production Way-University (38.17)
- Gilmore (26.67)

Escalators are plentiful at Metrotown which isn’t easy to be said for most stations.
Expansion of rapid transit in Burnaby isn’t in the near future, but I am curious to how Brentwood Town Centre’s changes will have an impact on things.
Richmond
Richmond only has a single line (Canada Line) entering its city limits and is home to Vancouver International Airport, which is one of the two termini for the city. Its stations received average score of 19.9.
- Richmond-Brighouse (34.17)
- Templeton (29.17)
- Lansdowne (22.5)
- Aberdeen (19.5)
- Bridgeport (15.5)

On its first day open to the public, it was free to ride and I happened to be in Richmond at the time.
The city will receive its newest station, Capstan Way, in 2023, which will sit between Aberdeen and Bridgeport.
Tri-cities and elsewhere
The tri-cities (Coquitlam, Port Coquitlam, and Port Moody) plus Maple Ridge, Pitt Meadows, and Mission do not have enough stations to make a top five list each — Mission is also the only station completely outside of TransLink’s jurisdiction.
Combined, they received an average score of 19.24, but for the municipalities which have more than two stations (which is just Coquitlam and Port Moody), it changes. Port Moody with its two stations received an average of 2.83 and Coquitlam scored 17.5. Both municipalities each have one station which provides connecting service to the West Coast Express — Moody Centre and Coquitlam Central.
- Port Coquitlam (64)
- Maple Meadows (43.17)
- Pitt Meadows (34.34)
- Burquitlam (23.5)
- Coquitlam Central (22.17)
There are no plans to expand service further eastward for SkyTrain services although there are design considerations for it in place.
Surrey and New Westminster
With New Westminster having exactly five stations and Surrey just having four, it was given the thought to combine their stations into one list. However, the roles and areas the stations serve are different and it didn’t feel right to combine them as one list.
While Surrey did have the worst station and a high average score of 125.84, it did also have one of the least-hated stations with Surrey Central scoring 8.5, placing it 33rd out of 50 — many stations had tied despite the weights.
The challenge with this score is that the city does not have that many stations and it doesn’t extend as deep into its borders as elsewhere in the tournament, with this of course changing in the next few years.

At one point in their lifetimes, both Sapperton and Braid stations were exclusively Millennium Line stations.
New Westminster’s least favourite station, Sapperton received a score of 47, with Columbia getting 35.17. The average for the city was 23.17. Like Burnaby, there are no real major changes in the city’s future with perhaps upgrades to Columbia, proposed to alleviate its problems with being a transfer point for the Expo Line spurs.
I hate these numbers!
That is okay! So do I! Midway through writing this article, I wanted to talk more about the percentages rather than the weights, but I was already pretty tired of staring at spreadsheets and data. If you’re interested in playing with the data yourself, I have a separate piece you can read!
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Data from the Worst SkyTrain/West Coast Express Tournament
If you have not read my previous piece on Scott Road being the worst SkyTrain station, I suggest giving it a read first as it will help give better context to the data here.
From late-June until the end of July, I ran a tournament to decide which of the stations on the SkyTrain and West Coast Express systems is the worst. Here is the data if you are at all interested in taking a look.
Challonge data
Challonge does not provide an API, but it did deliver the data via JSON, which is then rendered by the browser locally.
You can view the data I extracted here, which was sourced from this page.
Facebook polls
Assuming you have access to the Facebook group, you should be able to see each poll from these links.
The numbers in parenthesis are the scores they received at the time a snapshot was made. It is likely that some of them have changed since but they’re not reflected in the data provided earlier.
Round 1
Metrotown (52) versus Production Way–University (189)
Nanaimo (95) versus Lougheed Town Centre (27)
Inlet Centre (23) versus Aberdeen (85)
Braid (44) versus Columbia (106)
Main Street–Science World (5) versus Mission City (70)
Sea Island Centre (73) versus Scott Road (140)
Coquitlam Central (115) versus Granville (57)
Commercial–Broadway (33) versus Burquitlam (131)
Pitt Meadows (56) versus Oakridge–41st Avenue (14)
Lansdowne (115) versus Joyce–Collingwood (14)
Gateway (85) versus 29th Avenue (13)
Gilmore (85) versus Surrey Central (51)
22nd Street (19) versus Port Haney (43)
Brentwood Town Centre (43) versus Broadway–City Hall (56)
Bridgeport (75) versus Burrard (31)
Waterfront (12) versus Holdom (142)
New Westminster (19) versus Rupert (111)
Moody Centre (11) versus Edmonds (61)
Sapperton (78) versus Stadium–Chinatown (28)
YVR–Airport (38) versus Yaletown–Roundhouse (116)
Port Coquitlam (83) versus Olympic Village (23)
Marine Drive (27) versus Renfrew (120)
Richmond–Brighouse (99) versus King Edward (34)
Templeton (100) versus VCC–Clark (33)
Patterson (102) versus Lafarge Lake–Douglas (19)
Lake City Way (90) versus Langara–49th Avenue (18)Round 2
King George (96) versus Production Way–University (20)
Nanaimo (30) versus Aberdeen (16)
Columbia (27) versus Mission City (18)
Scott Road (54) versus Coquitlam Central (9)
Maple Meadows (46) versus Burquitlam (5)
Pitt Meadows (42) versus Lansdowne (10)
Royal Oak (16) versus Gateway (29)
Gilmore (27) versus Port Haney (23)
Lincoln (50) versus Broadway–City Hall (9)
Bridgeport (9) versus Holdom (59)
Rupert (14) versus Edmonds (30)
Sapperton (72) versus Yaletown–Roundhouse (40)
Vancouver City Centre (9) versus Port Coquitlam (53)
Renfrew (26) versus Richmond–Brighouse (35)
Sperling–Burnaby Lake (16) versus Templeton (27)
Patterson (15) versus Lake City Way (78)Round 3
King George (59) versus Nanaimo (26)
Columbia (17) versus Scott Road (42)
Maple Meadows (37) versus Pitt Meadows (22)
Gateway (43) versus Gilmore (7)
Lincoln (10) versus Holdom (63)
Edmonds (33) versus Sapperton (20)
Port Coquitlam (41) versus Richmond–Brighouse (12)
Templeton (7) versus Lake City Way (33)Round 4
King George (16) versus Scott Road (65)
Maple Meadows (14) versus Gateway (56)
Holdom (35) versus Edmonds (18)
Port Coquitlam (18) versus Lake City Way (56)Round 5
Scott Road (57) versus Gateway (25)
Holdom (6) versus Lake City Way (76)Round 6